Wikipedia:Kōrero/2005

Wikipedia:Kōrero Pūranga 2005

(Readers interested in Current Events are welcome to see and expand the articles for recent years, eg "2005")

This is our "watercooler" or "village pump" or "coffeebar" page, where contributions in English or Maori, about general matters affecting more than one page, are welcome.

It would be neat if anyone reading this page could add a "Hello" or "Kia ora" line at the bottom just to give us some idea whether anyone's reading it all!

Macron use

See Wikipedia:Macrons

Purpose of this page

I thought that Körero would be like current events. I used the same word to mean "discuss this page". Please correct me if I have incorrect usage. Perl 13:26, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I've now (as reported recently) added "this page" in Maori to the "Discuss this page" link, so no confusion; "Körero" seems fine for the name of this page unless we want to keep with the "tavern" theme! Robin Patterson 02:27, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Editing

To edit the current events link on the sidebar, edit MediaWiki:Currentevents; and to edit the translation of "discuss this page", edit MediaWiki:Talkpage. (For other sidebar items there are MediaWiki:Movethispage , MediaWiki:Randompage, MediaWiki:Whatlinkshere and MediaWiki:Editthispage). Please look over those pages and make sure I have translated them correctly. I have made you [Vardion] an administrator on this wikipedia so that you may edit the protected messages. Best wishes, Perl 13:26, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Pakeha promotion of this site

Tēnā koutou.

My Māori consists of a few phrases (which I expect to increase every day I watch Whakaata Māori (Māori Television) and recognition of not much more than 100 words (including most of those used in the Resource Management Act 1991).

I'm happy to browse here and tinker editorially/structurally where it might help.

Robin Patterson 06:46, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Now distinctly more proficient after 4 months of Maori Television and reading grammar books on the train! Robin Patterson 23:03, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)

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Noticing the dearth of contributors, I wonder whether any registered contributors would see anything wrong with the idea of contacting iwi and other groups through their websites, telling them about the Māori Wikipedia, and encouraging them to suggest to their members and associates that contributing would be a good way of promoting te reo Māori. :Robin Patterson 00:36, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I think that would be a great idea. I was vaguely considering something along those lines, but I wouldn't have any idea how to do it. Even if we just get a brief mention in a newsletter or something, it may attract a few more contributors. (My own understanding of Māori is highly limited, although I hope to improve it over time). Anyway, welcome aboard. -- Vardion 01:35, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

• Thanks, Vardion. I'll give some more thought to approaching iwi.

• Meantime, in case some readers are interested, here's what I wrote the other day to Māori Television:

Tena koutou.

I'm one of your pakeha fans since enjoying 3 hours on your opening day and an average of an hour a day since.

I've profiled a couple of your pages in suitable categories on the Web directory www.zeal.com , where I have some influence. One of the recent additions is probably visible here: http://www.zeal.com/category/preview.jhtml?cid=10144994

There is also mention on www.wikipedia.com - eg here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Zealand_television_channels - but little or none on the Maori Wikipedia: maybe some of your people could help promote te reo by contributing there: http://mi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Te_reo_maori

If your web experts decide to change any URLs, a note to me would ensure that the Zeal and Wikipedia references are updated rather than being lost or deleted.

E noho ra.

Robin Patterson

Robin Patterson 23:00, 12 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I've now told the Maori Language Commission about us, got an entry on the Community Panui, and asked Pipers to add the WP to their list of New Zealand language and education websites. Robin Patterson 20:13, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Machinery and software issues

Page views

• Please, someone, try to organise the appropriate bit of software so that we no longer get told that all our pages have 0 views:

http://mi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics

Robin Patterson 01:35, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Page views are no longer recorded for performance reasons. A sysop will need to edit MediaWiki:Sitestatstext to remove the reference to page views. You may want to translate the English version which no longer mentions this. Angela 19:39, 16 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, Angela - Robin (I fixed it just after Anzac Day)

Macrons (tohutō)

I've asked someone how we get a line of tohutō (macronned characters) below the edit box in the same way as other languages do (as our Belgian friend Srtxg suggested above); no reply in last 24 hours; it must be possible, even if it needs a developer to be dragged in for a few minutes. - Robin Patterson 10:02, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

To add macronned characters below the edit box, edit MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning. See de:MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning for an example. Angela 20:42, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Angela, you are worth your weight in gold. I've attended to that, thank you. I added the "stub" message code to the box of characters, to save even more time - someone may now tell me what Māori wording would be best in the actual stub message! Robin Patterson 02:27, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Progress - clickable macrons from metawikipedia

Ngā tohutō just by clicking. Hooray! (I had to edit MediaWiki:Copyrightwarning, of course). Robin Patterson 00:31, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Images

How do we "copy" images from other Wikipedias into this one? (I really have tried to find out, by studying at least a dozen pages about images!) Robin Patterson 02:27, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

A frequently asked question (it should be added to a FAQ somewhere really). It is not currently possible to move images between Wikipedias. You have to download the image to your own computer (often right clicking on it will give you this option), and then re-upload that to the Wikipedia you want the image to be copied to. It's best to copy images that have some sort of source mentioned, or that state that are released under the GFDL, or are public domain. Add interlanguage links between the two so that if one is found to be a copyright violation, the other one can be deleted as well. There are plans for the future for all images to be on one site to save having to upload them separately to each Wikipedia. Angela 02:14, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Thank you, Angela. I've copied that to a reasonably suitable place here for wider dissemination. - Robin

Images progress since Sep 2004

See "COMMONS" - Robin Patterson 00:31, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Templates

Stub message

Do we have a Māori equivalent of: {{msg:stub}} that says something meaningful?

Robin Patterson 06:46, 31 Mar 2004 (UTC)

- We do now; I worked THAT one out all by myself Robin Patterson 12:33, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)

and, of course, you no longer need the "msg:" part; so just "stub" inside those curly brackets will produce the Māori and English message with lines above and below. Robin Patterson 20:13, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

"Welcome" templates

Having finally plucked up courage to create a "personal message" template on another wiki and seen how easy it is, I'm going to create one here. Anyone (I expect) will be able to use it (just enclosing "welc1" in double curly brackets, same as for the stub message) and any user may create a close equivalent or totally separate one. Beware! - if you ever revise a template (or someone else does), it will appear in its new form on all previously-applied pages where it still resides, and the new wording may not fit with what was on them, eg if you started off without a concluding "Enjoy" and added that word manually, the word will appear twice for those recipients if you then add the word into your template; so keep an eye on such a template if you do create one. See Help:Templates. Robin Patterson 01:25, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

General

For ways of benefiting from templates, see Help:Templates and related pages. Robin Patterson 00:56, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Postscript - to get an unvarying version of a template, prefix "subst:" after the opening brackets. This produces a copy of the current template but doesn't thereafter update it. And it makes less work for Wikipedia servers. Robin Patterson 02:14, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Miscellaneous

• Checklist that may help us get this wiki working even better:

http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_start_a_new_wikipedia

• This should keep us on the right lines when naming new pages:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions

Progress

Kia ora koutou! Progress and thoughts following Anzac Day 2004 (and please feel free to add indented comments (ie starting with a colon) to any of these paragraphs!):

You'll have noticed that I haven't lost interest in this project. Annoyed with myself for not finishing that Administrators list - I seem to have been distracted then deleted that window after carelessly leaving it with quite a lot more composed and previewed. If I don't finish it soon, maybe someone else will - it needs only three more sysops to be named and should have Brion listed among the "others".

Planning to create numerous "lists" (rārangi) pages, including a list of lists (!) and things like colours - (rārangi kano) - and months - (rārangi marama) (I hope those are right - see below) so as to make the contribution of one or two words at a time easy for those of us who speak hardly any Māori and can read only a little more. Some of them will be tables, with Māori words listed in alpha order and English equivalents opposite.

I think we need a separate page for agreed styles (preferably with a proper Māori name - any offers?). Maybe it could start with a link to the English style page and say we follow that except for the "following" specific points, either of difference or where the English one has no equivalent (eg macrons).

• We now have one - see "Tikanga". 27/28 April.

Another small machinery matter is how we deal with having variants of words, eg Maori and Māori and maori. Obviously [?] our article would be under the preferred heading, with redirects from the other[s] so that the less skilled writers can link their variant even if they don't pick the preferred one - but those of you with experience in other Wikipedias may be able to steer me in a better direction there! The "problem" would arise whenever we got an expert opinion saying one of our page titles wasn't good Māori; but I guess moving or renaming is the way to do that; I hope we get some expert speakers soon, so as not to have to change too much.

It would be neat if anyone reading this page could add a "Hello" or "Kia ora" line at the bottom just to give us some idea whether anyone's reading it all!

That's all I can think of for now. If replying to any of these paras, please feel free to move them up or down to old or new headings as appropriate, for easier following of the sense and thread. Kind regards - Robin Patterson 10:02, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)

• Milestone - more than 50 articles, so when you click on Long pages you no longer see the shortest page! (Now can someone else add a few dozen names of NZ Governors to Rārangi Kāwana?) - Robin Patterson 22:30, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

Relevant articles in the English Wikipedia

Just thought I should include a link to User:A Pakeha's contribution Wikipedia:Wikipedia English Language articles about Maori subjects so's we don't forget what a valuable resource it is. - Robin, 27 April.

Usage of English

New template ("Eng") (just type it inside double curly brackets) intended to reinforce the invitation to translate as much as possible into te reo Maori - in haste, Robin Patterson 06:43, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Usage of English - separate page for much discussion of this "big" issue; I have moved the discussion that was here (from about August 2004) to the corresponding Talk page. Not moving the History of those edits; maybe someone can do that manually.

Haere mai

kia ora my names ash - 19:22, 18 Oct 2004 210.54.53.13

Wikimedia collaboration

A new attempt to get the Wikimedia community to collaborate on multi-lingual tasks is the Wikimedia Collaboration of the Week. Please see the page on meta for details. It would be great if you could translate the following to encourage other Mauri speakers to help improve the help pages in this language. The text below is from en:Template:Wm-cotw and will be updated every week. Thanks. Angela 19:29, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The Wikimedia Collaboration of the Week is an attempt to get the Wikimedia community to join forces in tackling problems that affect all our projects. The current COTW is to create a standard multilingual manual for the MediaWiki software. The help pages should be linked from Help:Contents on Meta, our Wikimedia-wide coordination wiki. Please see the instructions for this COTW and help to make it happen!

Audio template

Hi, I am making audio recordings of the pronunciation of words. Example; Media:Nl-be guy verhofstadt.ogg To include this in a good way in your wiki I need to know what your audio template is and how it works. When I know it i, and many others, can put it directly inside articles on your wikipedia.

Can some one please put your audio template on this page;

• commons:List of the different audio-templates for the Wikipedias

Greetings, nl:gebruiker:Walter

(I replied on 7 May, using IP 210.246.21.143, and said I doubted if we had one. Robin Patterson 01:07, 7 May 2005 (UTC))

Translation volunteers

Hi there, I'm Zanimum from the English Wikipedia. I'm running an international-entry exhibit of small artwork. I've found volunteers to translate the site into Arabic, Catalan, Italian, Norwegian and Spanish, and I was wanting a translator to write something in this language. The text to translate is around 300 words. Does anyone want to do a quick translation for us? Thanks! -- en:user:zanimum (Interested? Contact nicholasmoreau@gmail.com)

Stewards election

Hello,

The stewards election has started on m:Stewards/elections 2005. Anyone can vote provided that he has a valid account on meta with a link to at least one user page, on a project where the editor is a participant, with at least 3 months participation to the project. Stewards can give sysop right on projects where there are no local bureaucrate. Please vote ! Yann 21:47, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

PS: Please translate this. Thanks. Yann 21:47, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

I would like to be able to translate that (and the one from Zanimum). Somebody may volunteer to. But 99% of the people who read it are comfortable reading English. Anyway, I looked at the m:Stewards/elections 2005 page and put in a couple of votes (for people fluent in other languages). Robin Patterson 01:25, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Mention on New Zealand's main community website

The managers of Community Net Aotearoa - http://www.community.net.nz - have kindly updated the year-old notice about Wikipedia Maori and are adding it to one or two of their "Links" categories. Ka pai! They now have a weekly newsletter in addition to the long-established monthly "panui". And an RSS feed for people who know what that means. Robin Patterson 01:25, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

More promotion

http://www.panui.co.nz/joblink.php?action=display&id=9 is the result of my being invited to place a free advertisement for WP Maori. It's an adaptation of what I wrote for community.net.nz . Maybe we are on the upturn, publicity-wise? Anyway, out of gratitude I profled panui.co.nz on Zeal and I plan to mention it elsewhere too. Anyone like to offer some thoughts about improving the wording further? Robin Patterson 01:30, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Localized date formats need to be verified

Dear Wikipedians,

I need your help to look at date formats for your language. I created a large list of formats here. Please take a look and fix any mistakes or add any new formats. This will help interwiki bot to match en:April 1, fr:1 avril, ru:1 апреля, zh:4月1日, and all other sites together.

What's needed: Look here at every format for your language, fix any mistakes, note any exceptions (some languages have 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc naming schemas, or year 1 is written as '1 (year)' unlike all other years).

Also, I would like to receive a bot status on your site for my bot User:YurikBot. It will be mostly involved in interwikies.

Thank you!!!

You can contact me at en:Yurik (--70.192.56.68 22:17, 24 September 2005 (UTC))

I looked at his tables and confirmed or varied what I could; but we haven't finalised all those standards yet. See Wikipedia:Tikanga Wikipedia#Dates. Robin Patterson 02:14, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Pakeha promotion of this site

I think that, there needs to be a better message of this wikipeida, on the en wikipedia, I only found this site, after looking around en wikipeida forawhile, maybe we could have a "Maori Wikipeida template, with a link, on the New Zealand article, I think that most people, (exp New Zealanders) look at the NZ article, other that the portal, which has a mi wikipedia link. Heoi anō; nā, Brian New Zealand 06:19, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Erihapeti II o Ingarangi

I uploaded a photo of H.M. The Queen

File:Kuini (Queen).jpg

Ko Erihāpeti te Tuarua, te Kuini o Aotearoa

to use with Erihapeti II o Ingarangi, can someone translate the summary. I also had to upload some templates, they also need to be translated. Brian New Zealand 10:31, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikicities

There is now a wikicity set up for New Zealand, check it out Brian | (Talk) 22:57, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Logo for this site

Please join the discusion at Wikipedia:Waitohu. Robin Patterson 02:14, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Interwiki Bot Status

Hi. I would like to get my interwiki bot YurikBot marked as a bot in your language. The bot is already operating in almost 50 languages, and it would lower the server load and improve the quality of articles if all interwikies are updated at the same time. You can read more or ask questions here. I always run the latest version of the Pywikipediabot (i am also one of the developers of this project). The request for the bot status is here. Please support. Thank you. --Yurik (en) 03:12, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

check user

Please join the discusion at Wikipedia:Checkuser Heoi anō; nā Brian (talk) 08:26, 29 December 2005 (UTC)